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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 26, 2010 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CLIFF wins again...

Great post CLIFF! Looks like you and LiA are neck and neck for "Forum Historical Accounts Masters" awards/titles/accolades...

Agree with you and elb that the family vacation/good time tour approach was important to them (ahem, though as you all know, I don't listen to live shows from 72, I DO listen to the album and its studio esque vocals fairly regularly...). At least all that I read about that time period, back in the day (ie, 73-75), commented on this "change in touring" being important to them, and of course, it fits after seeing that 70 and 71 had been a couple of tough yrs for them in terms of managerial issues, record co. issues, $$ issues, and plain old work issues (#s of shows).

I always thought it was "nice" that they all decided (all--I assume) that this should be something of a "break" from all of that, and since so many of you agree about the music, it's too bad that the approach wasn't used more often later in the band's timeline...? Maybe some of you would agree that the hiatus in 74-75 did in fact have a similar outcome, but that would mean that the studio and live shows of 75-77 were outstanding, right? That the "hiatus" helped achieve that outcome? Suppose it did for all that rank 77 as a peak year.

So, perhaps those familiar with the 80s and 90s could better judge if similar sorts of breaks (though those for medical reasons might be apples and oranges) had similar impacts on the quality of the subsequent, post-break shows?

This post was modified by William Tell on 2010-04-26 14:40:44

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Poster: steam locomotive Date: Apr 26, 2010 11:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CLIFF wins again...

Beautiful stuff. This is like coming home for me. Hundred Year Hall was the first Dead album I ever got (Garcia had just passed and it seemed like a good time to get into the band).

In retrospect it was an ideal first choice. They were just so tight on that tour. I've since become more of a '73-'74 fan (like many others), but I would say that Europe 72 material is probably the best entry point for the more adventuresome new listener.

I would just add that the Lovelight > GDTRFB from HYH remains one of my favorite passages in their repertoire. I've now listened to variations from all over that tour and this version still stand out to me. Maybe it's like women: you never forget your first.

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Poster: Judge TOOTMO Date: Dec 15, 2010 8:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CLIFF wins again...

"Hundred Year Hall was the first Dead album I ever got (Garcia had just passed and it seemed like a good time to get into the band)."

In the last 3 minutes, I have had 5 different opinions on this line---it's heavy.


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Poster: Jim F Date: Apr 27, 2010 12:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CLIFF wins again...

I don't have the time to get into discussing this tour at length, it'd take hours. Every year in April and May I try to listen to as much as I can, though this year I haven't been as faithful. Probably because the weather has been too crappy to ride my bike, which is one of my favorite places to listen to music, esp music from this tour. Though I agree with the general consensus that first sets are interchangeable, and are generally skipped by me. The "bad" thing though is that if you give em a listen, they are all great! You'll always leave satisfied with any of them. Never such consistency over such a relatively long period of shows in both the jamming and the shorter material.

In short, as today was the anniversary, you cannot deny the sheer power of 4/26. I personally feel that the Truckin>Other One and the Lovelight>GDTRFB are 2 of the absolute greatest moments the band ever had. Those kind of jams that you put up there with something like the 2/27/69 Dark Star, or the 2/18/71 "Beautiful Jam." GD 1972 telepathic jazz at it's finest. Such a shame that Pig's organ is absent in the mix, though. Still, the Truckin>Other One from that night is for me, the best of Europe.

As for Dark Star, I think you have to give it to 4/8. Not that say 5/11 isn't perfect in every way either. I dunno, I declare a tie.

My other favorite thing about Europe 72 is the powerful return of Caution (gotta also give it up for the "practice run" of it in New York in March). People spend the most time discussing the various 11 Dark Stars from the tour, and the number of thrilling Truckin jams/Other Ones, but you can't dismiss the Caution's. The Caution's from 4/8 and 5/11 are some really, really unique pieces of music. Basically you take the love of intensity in every 68/69 Alligator/Caution lover, and throw in that Europe 72 magic, and the result is some pretty powerful stuff. And like all the Good Lovin's, especially 4/14's, you get Pig doing some fantastic rapping. How can you not love lines like "expeditionary forces on a 4 day creep" and "Had to keep a bucket of grease by the bed."

Anyway, basically, you have everyone playing their best. You have Keith at his best in his career with the band. you have Billy feeling comfortable as ever as the sole drummer and playing with a crazed intensity that just has to be explained by cocaine. Bobby's rhythm is at it's best, with him seeming to read everything going on around him and being a few steps ahead of the band, playing perfect chords that fit uncannily as if he knew what was going to happen. And finally you have Jerry and Phil, completely locked in and playing in synch.

Just some of my opinions, kept relatively brief.